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- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: Anyone done business
- From: willy.tamm@canrem.com (Willy Tamm)
- Path: canrem.com!willy.tamm
- Distribution: world
- Message-ID: <60.1206.4509.0N209A06@canrem.com>
- References: <DM0q4J.960@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
- Date: Sat, 3 Feb 96 17:24:00 -0500
- Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario)
-
- Hi Patrick!
-
-
- > My dealing with Copperhead went OK and I got a good deal, but I
- > have heard about items arriving DOA many a time in this
- > newsgroup.
-
- I've been quite intrigued by their product selection and IMHO,
- good pricing. I've received all of my information from the
- occassional "price list" which is posted to the Amiga File
- Area on a local (Toronto) board, as well as their advertising
- in Amazing Amiga.
-
- I haven't done any business with them yet; until a few days ago,
- the Toronto//Scarborough branch of Woder Computers, which is
- just a 5 minute walk from my house, received all of my business.
- Unfortunately it seems that a few days ago,the entire cross-Canada
- chain of Wonder Computers Stores, including their Amiga front-end
- Internet site//proviision, as well as their software and hardware
- development division, have all been petitioned into receivership.
-
- My next door neighbour ordered a 2091 HD controller with 2Mb ram,
- forwarding a Canadian Postal Money Order, in US funds. (Copper-
- head could not accept credit cards!) Two months and several
- telephone calls caleter, Copperhead was still maintining that
- they had never received payment; therefore the product had no
- been forwarded. One month later, my neighbour got a copy of the
- Postal Money Order from the Post Office. Copperhead had cashed
- it within a week of it being sent out!
-
- Needless to say, my neighbour cancelled the order, faxed a copy
- of the cashed money order and promptly received a refund. I am
- led to understand that mail-order fraud, using the U.S. Postal
- System is a serious, federal offence. Oddly enough, there are
- no cohesive laws in Canada dealing with this sort of thing. You
- get bit, you're on your own.
-
- COPPERHEAD PROMPTLY ISSUED A REFUND, once it was proven that they
- had received payment for the order. They seem to deal with a
- lot of used equipment, a a time when this is an only for mostof
- us Amigans with either failing systems, or those of us badly in
- need of more hardware.
-
- Used hardware must be very difficult to keep up with//inventory
- (ie. PCB revision nos., chip rev. nos., etc.). While I I would
- now have some trouble (in view of my neighbour's experienc),
- ordering from this firm; there are a lot of mitigating
- circumstances here. Copperhead has been around a while; they
- must be doing a lot of things right.
-
- > There are 2 things that concern me about Copperhead Tech.
- >
- > #1 They do not have any catalog or listing of their products.
- > Anytime I want something from them I must make a long distance
- > telephone call just to see if they carry it, and if so, how
- > much it costs. Many times, I will just buy something because
- > it is a good deal and I could use it, but I don't really need
- > it. Ex. An audio digitizer or something.. I really wish they
- > had a list of inventory and at least *rough* prices for items.
-
- As I said above, they do run a BBS and appear to post their
- current "catalogue" monthly. I've seen it crossposted here, in
- Toronto.
-
- > I think a mail order business needs either a presence on the
- > net or a catalog, but preferably both. However, if they give
- > out an e-mail address they should at least respond to it.
-
- Well, Patrick, I really can't even imagine that a "mail-order"
- business could survive without some way of communicating to
- their customers, what they have in stock. Also, as I said before,
- I've found fairly regular lists from Copperhead on BBS and in
- the only US based Amiga magazine, Amazing Amiga.
-
- Still, wouldn't it seem reasonable that a business which deals in
- selling//brokering the sale of diverse, regularly changing Amiga
- hardware would not be able to maintain an up-to-the-minute listing
- of what they offer? I'd also imagine that if you had a special,
- or unusual request, you'd probably have to ask for it anyway.
- I suspect that Copperhead has a reasonable network in place to
- find used hardware to sell.
-
- > Finally, I have a question for the Amiga community in general.
- > I run a small used Amiga sales company, and we're now getting
- > the new AT units, and I would like to expand our business
- > through the net.
-
- Presence and price list available on a WEB page is obviously
- a useful tool, allowing potential customers to browse. Several
- years ago, I owned a huge, Amiga only, delership in Toronto. My
- approach was, keep stock in inventory and available for local
- custormers to see, want and BUY! Being in the Toronto area, we
- had a huge custormer base; other customers would take several
- hour drives to visit//buy. The Net just wasn't a factor at that
- time and despite some requests from out of town customers, we
- never published a catalogue//price list.
-
- This method works if you are willing to invest hundreds of
- thousands of dollars in inventory and facilities//staff who can
- configure a system, or demonstrate a product, on the spot. You'd
- have to have a huge, local potential customer base for this to work.
- (You also need a hardware supplier who doesn't close down, ie. C=).
- The general population, and it would follow, the Amiga user base, is
- much more spread out in the United States. Mail order appears to
- be a very common method of marketing. Still, don't overestimate
- the power of the Net. Far less users//buyers, especially, lacking
- good software, Amiga users//buyers, use the Net, and make purchases
- through the Net. Obviously this si changing, but as a business
- owner you cannot afford to be taken in by current 'Info Hwy' hype.
-
- > I would like to know the opinion of Amiga
- > buyers on what they would like to see from an Amiga dealer.
- >
- > Do you want customer phone support for installing items?
-
- While quite technically competent, if I were buying hardware by
- mail order, I would not ever consider a dealer who doesn't give
- excellent, competent customer support.
-
- > Do you require credit card acceptance?
-
- Absolutely.
-
- > What type products are you interested in (the latest greatest,
- > gfx cards, 060 accelerators, video equipment, or smaller things)?
-
- You can't have it both ways. Either you support all things Amiga,
- or you lose your business to a full-service dealership that does.
-
- > Would you/did you support companies that advertised in Amiga
- > World or other mags?
-
- IDG and Amiga World aren't very good names to mention right now.
- I support advertisers from both Amazing Amiga and the ten-fold
- larger circulation of British Amiga magazines.
-
- > Finally, what Amiga model do you own?
-
- Don't own an A1000. Our household owns everything else from an
- A500 to three A4000/040's, CD-32's, CDTV, A2500's etc.
-
- > Patrick Mackin
- > President, Imagine Computers
- > Charlottesville, VA, USA
-
- Regards,
- Willy Tamm willy.tamm@canrem.com
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